Icarus Would Have Loved TikTok

We trade bits for honesty, connect Icarus to individual comedy stylings, and admit that fevers and caffeine expose what’s sustainable and what's not. Then we sprint through Winter Olympics highs and heartbreak, tackle kid spacing, and give unvarnished dating advice for weathering ghosting with your self-worth intact. Chats this week include:

• humor as connection versus derailment
• Pushing past limits or flying into the sun
• fever recovery, hydration, reduced caffeine talk
• algorithm talk and scrolling habits
• Winter Olympics stories, medals, controversies
• difficulty and judging across sports
• parenting logistics and holiday overwhelm
• age gaps between siblings and readiness
• dating apps, ghosting, boundaries, self-respect

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Transcript

Sitcom Tangent And Bit Culture

SPEAKER_03 0:10

You and me.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

I don't know what you're singing, but you've never seen Sweet Life of On Deck?

SPEAKER_03 0:16

The Sweet Life of On Deck. I'm I'm familiar with the concept. I haven't really watched much.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

The Sweet Life of Zack and Cody.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Then had The Sweet Life on Deck, and that's what I was singing is here I am in your lie. I couldn't give you season recaps or anything like that, but I've definitely seen the show.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

Season three, episode five.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Ashley Tisdale worked at the hotel, I think.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

Okay. Oh yeah, they lived in a hotel, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Yeah, and then uh oh shoot, what's the other Brenda Song was the heiress of the uh uh hotel.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

Why did they live in a hotel?

SPEAKER_00 0:48

I don't know. I don't remember that part.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

That feels central. They have parents? Where are their parents at?

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Their mom lives with them in the hotel.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

I think it's kind of like Eloise.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Okay. I don't know how to help you. I guess in New York people live in hotels.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

Oh, that's I guess that's true. Like that. Yeah, they live in a city.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

It's not like they're in Arkansas living in a hotel. Like they're just at the best western. Yeah, the heiress of best westerns living at the best western in Podunk, Arkansas.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Yeah, I guess I didn't think about them being in New York, presumably.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

They don't say.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

I'm sure they do. I don't remember. The things I remember from the show are the theme song and the prindle.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

It's Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

You worked at an extended stay hotel where people lived in it, where we live, in Arkansas.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

Yeah, okay. I guess that's true. We never had anybody that stayed there years and years and years.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Anybody listening that's a true Sweet Life fan is losing their minds. Absolutely, because I have no idea what I'm talking about. Sweet, Zach, Cody. I'm gonna, it's not funny. You are funny. I shouldn't say you're not funny. I actually listened back on the last episode because I edited it, and I multiple times told you you're not funny. And I was like, that's so not true, Joe. You've gotta stop saying that because it sounds like you really think it.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

Well, I think during the episode you think it.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Well, just sometimes things that don't need to be bits become bits, and then we completely lose the conversation because we're looking for the next bit rather than conversing.

Icarus, Hubris, And Self-Sabotage

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Yeah, that's that's fair. I have to just everything inside me has to fight doing more bits.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Why is that?

SPEAKER_03 2:32

I think it's just a real self-destructive streak I have.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Okay, tell me more.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

You know the the tale of Icarus and how you shouldn't fly into the sun?

SPEAKER_00 2:39

No.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Well you're not familiar with sweet life, I'm not familiar with Icarus.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

Roughly the same um historical relevance and literary value.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

One of us sounds a lot smarter than the other, though, I will say.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

And it's not the one who, you know, doesn't remember Icarus.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

That's the one that sounds stupid.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

You can say it.

unknown 3:04

It's me.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

I forgot which way we were talking and which way I said it, and so I was trying to make myself sound dumber, but you can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

You're too smart to sound dumb.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

I say that all the time. Anyway, do you want do you want to refresher on Icarus?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Sure. If you're gonna use the reference, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

He had the the wings made out of wax, and he flew too close to the sun, and his wings melted and he died.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

I've never heard this story.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

What? I thought you were joking. No, I've never heard it. No, I think it's Daedalus and Icarus. Um is it Greek mythology? Yeah, it's Greek mythology.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Yeah, I actually learned that. So this week I went to see Ayana Gray speak at the Bentonville Public Library uh for her book I Medusa, which is obviously about Medusa.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Were you familiar with Medusa?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yes, I'm familiar with Medusa and her story somewhat, but as everybody was talking, there were a lot of people at this event who are really into Greek Roman mythology. And I realized that I missed that chapter. Yeah. Flew too close to the sun, wings melted, it killed him.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

Yeah, yeah. He's got a few.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

And that's you with bits.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

You're flying too close to the sun and it's melting your wings.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Yeah, it's just uh it's a story of hubris and thinking that you when you're told not to fly too close to the sun, you're like, but I bet I can fly a little bit closer. And then you just do that until your wings melt and then you crash.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

I couldn't relate to that story less.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

No, no, no. It makes sense that you wouldn't. You'd be like, Well, I was told these wings only work up to this height. I should stop there.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

I tried about half of that. I didn't want to test the limit.

Fever Week And Caffeine Reckoning

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Like, I believe in building in my own safety factor. Whereas I'm like, there's probably a safety factor built in, right? We'll see how strong it is.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah. But with bits, but anyway, Matt's been sick this week. Terribly, terribly ill.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

Yeah. I I've had I got a fever for the first time in years, and I forgot how much they suck. I didn't even really realize what was happening to me until I was like, wait a minute. Is that why you're cold and you feel like you might pass out and you're shaking? Is that what a fever is? And it is. It's true.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

It was what a fever was, yeah. So Matt's been in recovery for the last two to three days.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Doing lots of sleeping, doing lots of resting.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Trying, yeah. My drink of the day is water. Been drinking a lot of water, trying to stay hydrated.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

You know, I'm normally a water girl, but I have a diet DP today. In a bottle. I actually something I despise is a bottle. I really don't enjoy drinking the plastics. I want it to be either in a styrofoam cup, which doesn't feel like that's better than the plastics.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Or I want it to be in a can.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

I'm understanding styrofoam cup now from like a restaurant, Sonic, or somewhere. Although, do they have? Yeah, they still do. Okay. There's a period of time where they stopped doing styrofoam cups, right? Yeah, in 2020. Yeah, it was years and years ago, and they've gone back. How my brain works is sometimes things change. Now my brain makes it know and goes, Well, that changed. Be on the lookout for that ever again. And then if I don't take a good note of it going back, my brain's just like, yeah, they stopped doing styrofoam cups years ago. Yeah. Did I see a styrofoam cup from Sonic from you this weekend? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

But did I take a note of it? No.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

I'd like you to know that it went back to styrofoam during my first pregnancy. That makes sense. How many sonic cups do you think you've seen since they changed back, starting with my first pregnancy?

SPEAKER_03 6:31

I feel like 400 is a really good overunder. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

You're thinking 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025. Five years that I drink less than a hundred sonic drinks a year.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Am I crazy for saying that feels right? I just probably don't fully grasp your sonic consumption, but I mean, I definitely think I have a problem.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

I'm not. It's like every three days. Did you see the video of the woman who's trying to quit Diet Coke?

SPEAKER_03 6:58

No.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

There is this woman online going viral right now. She's trying to quit her Diet Coke addiction. She lives near a Casey's and she goes to the Casey's 12 times a day. They were the big ones, like the big gulp ones, too. And she gets a new cup every single time she goes. So she like pulled out and showed in her kitchen a stack of empty cups, and it's like 30 cups all stacked on each other. Isn't that not crazy?

SPEAKER_03 7:27

Well, we should just call this the chronically online section.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

I have been thinking about it nonstop since seeing it.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

The$611 a month. Yes, that's way too much. That's the least worrying part about this. A, if your only concern was the money, I think you could cut that number in half easily. I for sure they have refillable cup options, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:48

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

I'm sure someone would be less than$18 a day. I think it's$600 a month. You are gonna be money ahead buying your own soda machine and syrups. Gotta think that's better value. Uh the concerning part is definitely 44 ounces eight times a day.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Uh well, and I think the concerning part is that's a caffeinated beverage.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Can you think about how much caffeine? I'm assuming in a 44-ounce cup that it is not the full, it's not a full 44 ounces because there's ice. So let's say that it's 24 ounces for easy math. You want me to go higher? I think that that's it. Like it's a it's a that's it's conservative. Yeah, yeah. So 24, that's two 12 ounce cans. How much caffeine's in a 12-ounce can of Diet Coke?

SPEAKER_03 8:34

I just ballparked it at 200 ounces. So that's a roughly a gallon and a half. That's saying 766 milligrams of caffeine is a lot, but not the most worrying part.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

On the conservative side, that means she's getting roughly 800 milligrams of caffeine a day.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

That's it's a good chunk of caffeine. Now I'm in a I'm in a people in in glass houses shouldn't throw stones situations.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

It's a double the daily recommended amount.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Like daily maximum? Yes. Okay. I was like, I don't think it's recommended. I don't think you're ever like 400 milligrams is recommended by your doctor.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

How much do you think you have? Now you're scaring me.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

Like I know that you've-400-600 games.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

I know that you've had days that you have more.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Building the studio, I was in the 800 to 1000 milligrams a day.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

That scares me. Well bad.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

You know, I was burning it. I was my body was that's it's fuel. Caffeine is fuel.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

That's not true.

Algorithm Feeds And Scrolling Habits

SPEAKER_03 9:29

Everybody knows that. As a you know, a degree chemical engineer, I think there's science in there.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

I really would like you to go caffeine free.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

I I would like to also. I'm I'm in very reduced caffeine mode uh these last few days because let me tell you, what did not feel like a good idea is having a fever and then being like, what if we throw some caffeine in the mix? Let's get a little dehydrated up in here.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

So I've consumed just enough to not get a crippling headache on top of the fever. Good lord. Like I said, everything inside of me now wants to sit down and do the math on like how much does it cost to have your own fountain machine?

SPEAKER_00 10:10

She's like three or four weeks uh soda-free now, though.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

And like she's been documenting the whole process. I and that's awesome. I hope I'm not coming across like I'm making fun or belittling her at all. I think it's really cool that she shared it and that she's been really transparent about the journey. But I it it really truly just baffled me. It was so shocking, just sheer quantity. She said in the video that her husband brings her four of those a day. The comment section was like, Does your husband hate you? Like he hasn't pointed out that this is like a massive problem. Like, if I've seen Matt has had an energy drink and he's like, Will you go grab me another energy drink? I will not participate.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

No, I will not condone this behavior.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Yeah, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

I feel like if I asked, you might, but I I don't know that I would ask. I know your feelings on the issue.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

I really don't want you to die young because your heart gives out from caffeine intake and just sugar overload.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

You want me to die young of natural causes?

SPEAKER_00 11:15

No, I don't want you to die young at all. I just feel like you're really trying to rev the die young engine with the caffeine.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

That's the whole Icarus situation, you know? I saw I saw a video that I did not send to you because you would not think it was funny. People talk about training in zone two, like working out, and that's like a heart rate range. How much do I need to explain to you?

SPEAKER_00 11:39

It's fine. I can I can that's good.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

That's fine.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Anyway, yeah, I don't know, but it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

He was talking about how he was biohacking himself by consuming so much caffeine that his resting heart rate was in zone two, and he's like, Your body doesn't know the difference. Like, I just biohacked myself into cardio. I think it kind of works, although it does require you to like come down.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

I don't think it was serious, but your for you page is truly eclectic.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

That was uh reels. My reels page is wild.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

I feel like the reels algorithm has really improved. Hot take.

SPEAKER_03 12:13

I it's I spend almost no time on reels, but when I do, it's just it feeds me a lot of running content. I don't run.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

It knows that you're supposed to be trading for that high rock.

Olympic Obsessions And Hot Takes

SPEAKER_03 12:24

I won't lie, it does send me high rocks content as well. Um, TikTok is definitely like Matt is for the girls. Reels is like Matt's a man. Yeah. Reels has a very different tilt for that.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

And tell me this, which one do you prefer to scroll?

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Uh TikTok for sure.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah, that's what I thought. Because it's always better for the girls.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

Reels definitely serves me some content. I'm like, whoa. No, thank you. This is you're too serious about this. No, there's a lot of it's it's a lot of health and wellness on Reels.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Speaking of a man's man, it's a man's world. Winter Olympics. Something to know about me is I am a massive Olympic stan. I love the Olympics. I count down to the Olympics. It is my favorite few weeks of the year every year that is an Olympic year. I desperately am hoping to go to LA in 2028 to attend the Olympics. I heart Olympics.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Let's blow this podcast up so they send us to the Olympics.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

That should we podcast?

SPEAKER_03 13:31

Can we podcast?

SPEAKER_00 13:32

So cool.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

You think there's gonna be a big podcasting push for the Olympics?

SPEAKER_00 13:36

No.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Might be our new reason to push for social media relevance.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

I gotta stop being so negative and self-deprecating. I feel like that is a new behavior of mine in the last, I guess not since we've done the podcast, but that's a new behavior for me in my late 20s, early 30s. Where did that come from? Why do I do that suddenly?

SPEAKER_03 13:53

You hang out with me too much.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Do you really think that that's it?

SPEAKER_03 13:57

Yeah. I'm allergic to tuning my own horn. So it's uh which is not the way to be when you do social media. You have to you have to believe in yourself. You have to speak to the people.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

It's really interesting to hear that you don't believe in yourself because the reason you're frustrated with yourself all the time is because you think you're gonna be the best to have ever done everything that you ever do.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

And then when you're not, I don't totally agree with that statement. Okay, tell me more. I just don't like being not the best at everything that I've ever done. I don't have to be the best. The best makes me sound like an insane person. Um I like to be proficient. I like to be better than I have any right to be. I don't have to be the best. I don't have to be the best in the world. I just I would like to be really good at anything that I do. And if I'm not, then what am I even doing? Why am I doing it? And that is a healthy mindset to have. That is who Reels thinks I am. And it's kind of right sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Why don't you give me your thoughts on the Olympics?

SPEAKER_03 15:10

On the Olympics? I like the Olympics. What what really made me laugh is uh we had friends come over the other day and they were like, are you like really into the Olympics? And I was like, Well, and then I realized we are really into the Olympics.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Why did they ask that?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Well, because apparently they're not that into the Olympics. It's just like a background thing to them.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

Whereas I realized it's been a couple years since the Olympics, but I forgot that.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

You forgot you married the Olympic, like an Olympic.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

I enjoy them watcher. Or you are down for the Olympics. Like you get kind of annoyed with the kids when they're like, can we stop watching the Olympics?

SPEAKER_00 15:49

It's the Olympics, it's only every two years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

They're like, Mom, we don't want to watch, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

They were into curling.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

They were into curling.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

You hate you I don't like curling. It's the only winter Olympics event that I don't like, and they loved it. I was like, why does my family hate me?

SPEAKER_03 16:07

They are my kids. I like curling.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

I know you do, and that's great. I'm happy to sit and watch it. Like, I won't complain. It's just it's so they liked curling. It's so good. It's the one event that if I'm by myself, I won't turn on and watch curling by myself. I will happily watch it with a crowd.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Oh, this just made my day. This made my day because we've talked multiple times. I'm like, ooh, curling's on. And she's like, Yeah, uh, what about moguls? I don't care about skiing, but I really don't care about like curling. You didn't say you didn't care about skiing. Like the I'm over here talking about how much I love the Olympics.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

And then when Matt talks about how I talk about the Olympics, it's like, yeah, I actually really hate all the events that are on, but I guess.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

But I love the country.

unknown 16:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Like, what?

SPEAKER_03 16:56

I don't support the sports, but I just love America so much and what's happening in it.

unknown 17:01

Shh.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

Rock flag and eagle. No, you didn't say anything, but just like you avoid I see curling. I'm like, ooh, curling. And you're like, ooh, any of the other sports that are on right now. Biathlon. I love biathlon. No, it's actually biathlon.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

The last few times it's been half pipe men's snowboard. And you're like, ooh, curling.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

That's not true. That's not true. That's literally what happened last night, just as a note. It wasn't half pipe men's. I think it was like half pipe women's. And I don't watch women's sports. You know that. When I married you, I said I will not watch women's sports. It's not real. God, I'm gonna get clipped in the just the worst way one day. One day somebody's gonna super cut my sarcastic takes and be like, garbage human, Matt Over.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

People were upset with your Gulf of America statement. People really defended you, but there were a couple people who were like, I don't think this is funny. I think it's really of poor taste. People were like, he's being sarcastic.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

That's his whole humor. It's kind of in poor taste. That's his thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

Um okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Things that happened in the Olympics this week that I want to talk about. First, Brazil won their first Winter Olympic gold medal.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Well, that's pretty sick.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

And I cried.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

What'd they do it in?

SPEAKER_00 18:22

I don't remember. It was skiing.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

It was one of the like Oh, it was like giant slow em or something, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Like, I don't my problem is with all the ski events, I'm like, they have skis on their feet.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Yeah. You're like fast ski, jumping ski, not ski jump, ski tricks, walk ski, jump ski. Yeah, ski race, ski fly, ski tricks.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Those are the ski events too.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Yeah, they have big things on their feet. I've never been skiing.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

I've never done a winter sport ever. So there's also that.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

You sledded.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

That's kind of like I've sledded.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

I like when they call it the sliding sports.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

With like bobsled and skeleton.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Yeah, I just don't feel like it's the same as sledding though. Nothing about it. They're getting up to about 82 miles. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

It's like if you went sledding, I don't know, I don't know. To the coaster. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Okay. So that that was my first thing that I wrote down. Second, Chloe Kim snowboarding, she got silver in the half pipe, which she has gotten a gold medal in at the last two Olympics. I think she's 25, so that makes sense. But the girl that beat her is the girl that she has trained.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Or like mentored.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

She was trained in the US?

SPEAKER_00 19:34

No, Japan. Chloe Kim was like so happy for her, and people really wanted it to be people hate that. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

People hate when our athletes are good losers and support other people, even if they're from other countries.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

Americans are like, that sucks.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

In the pair's ice dancing, they are talking about appealing the scores because apparently there was some real drama there. The French scorer judge scored way lower than the other judges, and it ended up moving them to silver instead of gold, even though they had like a perfect and clean performance, and everybody else scored them really high.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

The US? Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

The US ice dancing.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

That was a lot of drama.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Which I don't really get into the drama as much as I do the stories. Like there is the men's ice skater that's competing right now, or is now done competing, but uh that both his parents were in the plane crash in DC and they had trained him since he was a little boy, and so he didn't score high enough to be in finals or medal, I don't think. I know he didn't meddle. I don't even think he went on to finals, but it was cool. They like aired his entire story and talked about it.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

You love an inspirational story. I love that's the spirit of the Olympics. Whenever they're really hamming up the spirit of the Olympics on TV and they're like, This is the spirit of the Olympics. This athlete came from this situation that's terrible and has rose to the that's all really cool. Joe is bawling. Understand that the person they are speaking to is Joe. I love it. Overcome with emotion every single day.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Nothing better.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

It's made me appreciate it much more for sure. But you are you are 100% the target demographic for emotional Olympic stories.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

I love it. And it doesn't have to be a hardship or emotional that way. I just love to see how hard people have worked because if you are an athlete on that level, no matter what privilege or resources you come from, you've worked your ass off. And hearing about the time that they've put in and the effort and the strategy and just how passionate they are about what they're doing, gets me going. The last thing is I was telling Matt all about the quad god leading up to. The ice skating, everything because people could not stop. No, could not stop talking about him. Ilya Malinan. Nailed it. Ilya Malinen was he's 21. It's his first Olympics, I think. And he ended up winning the US, their gold medal in team. He was the last one to go, scored high enough for the US to get there. And so I was really excited to watch him in the men's competition. And I didn't even end up watching it because the news broke. Obviously, we're getting the primetime feature later, which I like to watch the prime time rather than the live events sometimes, not always, but because it cuts everything up and it makes it shorter and they have interviews with the athletes and you get more of the stories in the prime time.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

I like when they have a live prime time, like that's always good. But if it's not live prime time, then yeah, you you get some sort of digested version of it.

Favorite Events And What Looks “Easy”

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Yeah. He in the free skate performance had to score 180 something. I didn't write that part down to win. And his highest score of all time is 238.24. So people thought that he had the gold medal completely in the bag because scoring 183 was, you know, what 50 55 points lower than his highest score ever. And the lowest score he had ever scored before was 163.63 in the competition. He's never scored below that. He ended up, oh, I didn't write it down, but he ended up scoring 150, low 150s. He fell a bunch of times in the free skate performance.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

And it was I do like I I didn't know anything about our skating coming in. Sometimes we we catch more pre-Olympic coverage, you know, like who's who's to look out for. When they first started talking about him. To say he's a favorite for the gold is an understatement. And then they talked about how like he does a bunch of stuff that basically nobody's ever done and people didn't think could be done. I was like, oh, okay, got it. And so yeah, that was a wild. That's um I'm sure that's up there with like Simone Biles and although hers hers was a different she chose to Yeah. Hers was more of a mental health situation, but also being such a huge favorite to dominate, and then when you don't dominate, people are like, Oh, well, you suck now.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Right. So I feel I mean he's young too, but it was just really shocking, and he uh didn't recover well from falling and just kept falling through his performance.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

It's it's wild to think that like you're that you have that much more in your bag to be able to still put up those numbers if you'd have fallen maybe just once or twice.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Right. He could have still won, I think, with falling once.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

Yeah, I'm sure. If that's how high he scored with three falls. Right. That's nuts.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

It was very shocking. That's my Olympic recap. What's your favorite Olympic sport to watch?

SPEAKER_03 25:14

My favorite Winter Olympic? Yeah, winter Olympics. Oh, casually, I like curling, but it's probably not my favorite Winter Olympic sport to watch. It kind of depends. Some of them are fun to watch just from like uh this is novel, and I like to see the sport because you just don't see it that often. And some of it, like if I'm talking about more of like a spectator experience, I think like skating. Yeah, it's hard to pick. There's a lot like there's also like hockey. Hockey's a sport that I really like. Love it.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

We watch hockey outside of Olympics.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Yeah, like I enjoy watching hockey outside of the Olympics.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Day to day.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

We're St. Louis Blues fans, if you were wondering.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Yeah, that that that has its ups and downs. Ups and downs for sure. But downs more than ups right now.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Uh I like snowboarding.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Snowboarding, okay. What kind?

SPEAKER_00 25:59

I like I really like watching the half pipe. I really like watching the men's and women's slope style.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

Those are probably my favorite. Those are good.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Yeah. The problem with those for me is I don't always know the difficulty, like, difference in the tricks. And so I can watch somebody do it, and I'm like, good, bad. That's how I feel about ice skating. Sometimes they do something you're like, they're like, that's literally never been done before. I actually could not tell the difference between sometimes they do something so spectacular, they're like, oh, that does look crazy. And then sometimes you're like, that looks crazy, but everything kind of looks crazy. We were talking about this yesterday. You were like, I can't believe they make it look so easy.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

And I misinterpreted that.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

And I was like, no, I didn't, I said it looks easy.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

And I interpreted it as I was like, I've literally never looked at that and thought, oh, that looks easy, or I could do that. Every time I see people compete in those, I think I have no idea. I don't think I could ever land anything they've ever done. I think I could go yeet myself into the air. I think I could spin and do flips. I just think there's no chance I could ever spot the ground and land on it with my feet. I think I would just crash into the ground and die.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

I was never good at flipping from the time I was really little. Because I really liked gymnastics, but I won't throw myself backwards. I could do a front tuck and I could do a front hand spring, which are way harder, I guess, than a back hand spring and a back tuck.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Because of the way, but I I could never get past the throwing myself backwards. It goes with the way uh and so I got to the point that I could do the front tuck, I could do the front hand spring, I could do a back walkover.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

Okay.

Which Winter Sport For Our Kids

SPEAKER_00 27:39

But I couldn't even do a back hand spring. Never tried it. Throw myself backwards. Still can't. That's why at the Lake and stuff I do a front flip.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

2026 resolution.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Joe does a I'm not learning to do a backflip. I I think I'm too old for that. I think I've clocked up.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Mother of three.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

I'm so tall. Maybe that doesn't make a difference. That would be kind of a fun resolution to learn to do a back tuck.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Okay. She gets into tumbling it 32, 33.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

I mean, they say it's not hard on your joints at all.

unknown 28:11

No.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Long careers. Long careers, healthy bodies.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Okay. No injuries. Speaking of what sport would you want if you could pick a sport for our kids, winter Olympics?

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Ooh, okay. So there's a couple angles here I'm I'm thinking about. One is like what's a better spectator sport. I'm also thinking like, let's say it's hockey, they can have a career outside of the Olympics. Because there's some sports you can do outside the Olympics and have as a professional career. There's some sports like curling where they're like he's a CPA and then also competes in this league for curling. And like you have to do it as a I about said the side hustle. I don't think it's a hustle at all. I think it's for the love of the sports.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Yeah, for the love of the game.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

Yeah, I think but a hustle, I think, is I think it costs you tons of money. Or maybe you have sponsorships, but realistically, you're doing it for the love of the sport, which is really cool, and it's awesome that people do that and have um either the means or the support to do that. I think some of the snow like snowboarding stuff could be cool. I feel like if they if they were a professional snowboarder, like the events you're talking about, half pipe or slopestyle, because there is like a circuit in terms of X game stuff, you can make money professionally that way, sponsorships that way. It's something that you can do as like your family can go snowboarding. Now, you're not gonna go hit the half pipe with your kid necessarily unless you're also really good at it, but you can support them and also do that thing. I'm sure I'm not taking a full picture of what that looks like.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

You're giving this way more thought than I did.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Yeah. I I'm not sure I want it to be one where it's like Bobsled.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

No.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

And you're like, well, I guess we're gonna have to move to like one of the few places that has a bobsled track and or however that works. I don't know what that training regiment is.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

My answer was hockey.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Okay, yeah. Which I don't sport.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Yeah, and I don't necessarily love the I imagine that there's a lot of injury the same way as football from getting slammed into boards and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Maybe not exactly the same, but that worries me as a mom because I don't want them to have hockey's big on playing while injured.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Yeah, it's a real staple in this.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Yeah, I don't love that part, but I do think that that has the most aspects that I'm looking for out of sports if I my children want to play. Team sport, working together, good athletics, flexibility is really important in hockey and a lot of other things. And I think it's something that you can take the skills from and continue with and enjoy. So I think that's probably up there for me.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

No, that's fair. I think we're on kind of the same wave though. Like you want something with a little bit that's probably got the best like spectator value.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Right. Like you can do collegiate hockey, you know. Yeah, there are options.

unknown 31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Maybe ice skating. Ice skating scares me. Yeah, it kind of combines all of the things that I think are terrible about competitive dance.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

And then puts it in a higher tax bracket.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Yeah, I think it's just a ton of expense and a ton of training.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Which I think like I think competitive dancing's also very expensive.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

A lot of the Winter Olympics are super expensive. Just like you either need to be.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

It takes a lot of equipment.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

Yeah, it's it's equipment heavy. You need facilities. Tons of them need facilities, and then that time and people who know how to train and all that stuff is all really expensive. Outside of cost, and just thinking of like, I have to go watch this or I have to help this person.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

I definitely don't think we're the parents that are pushing our kids into any kind of sport.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

No.

Parenting While Sick And Valentine Chaos

SPEAKER_00 31:58

But if we were, that would make us what?

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Bad dad, me and mom.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Do you have any thoughts for this week?

SPEAKER_03 32:04

Oh man, that you know, so many opportunities. I I spent uh the weekend just being completely ill. That's never been a peak parenting moment for me, but I don't feel like that's your fault, though. No, uh, you know, my my body failed me.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

People don't talk about how hard it is to be sick when you become a parent. It's it's it's brutal.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

It's really kids don't care that you're sick. Let me tell you.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

No, it's it's they still want to eat, they still want to, you know, every day play. They still it's just it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Fun. They want to have fun and eat and do all of this just bullshit. Yeah, they want clean clothes, it's yeah, which they can figure that out for themselves.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah, come on, kids.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Dad, dad does not have the time right now to deal with this stuff. No, but no, yikes. You got anything good?

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Yeah, I wrote down I had a big mom guilt moment because Valentine's Day hit and I had everything prepped for a little Valentine for the kids. And I had talked with you, and I knew you had a little activity planned with them. And then I had the realization on the 12th that I didn't do Christmas holiday gifts for teachers at school. That when I had not done that, I was like, I have way too much on my plate with hosting everything. I'm gonna do Valentine's for the teachers at school. And then it was February 12th, and I was like, oh shoot, time went by so quickly. And I think that's somewhere that I really struggle as a parent, juggling all of those little tasks. I got all the we got all the Valentine's prepared take to class with all the right names on them and the little gifts. And we did that whole shebang, and I was like, I did it, great, we're good. And I had the gifts for at home done. And I was like, okay, good, shebang, we're done. And then I'm also planning a birthday party because we have a birthday party right around Valentine's Day, and you know, I'm like, all right, I am nailing it. And it's like something always slips through the cracks. Yeah, it's really easy to get, especially when you've really nailed a few things in a row to get that sense of security and be like, wow, we are we're clicking on all cylinders, and then that last thing pops up, and you're like How did I forget the night before I was running out to the store and I got gift cards and I had the kids make little Valentines and we put the gift cards into the Valentines, but yeah, you pulled it together. I pulled it together, but I did not like doing it in a rush. I really prefer to have my ducks in a row.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Yeah. You love to do a good personalized gift, and that takes time.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Just yeah. And I've not been the best time manager. I feel like, especially postpartum. I feel like I'm coming closer to the time where it does come back, but postpartum's always really hard for me. It feels like the clock just isn't operating it normally.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Well, I think the big problem is between Christmas and Valentine's was January, and this January was a mess. I mean, the think of the launch of this podcast, like how much went on that delayed that and made that difficult. And then on top of that, we were it's been a rough month to try and pull all the horses together and get them going in the same direction.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Yeah. And so I just don't always like giving myself that reasoning or excuse because it feels like if I want to focus on what's hard, there's always things that are hard to focus on.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Totally.

Balance, Postpartum Time, And Word Of The Week

SPEAKER_00 35:31

And it felt a little that way for me in January, where I don't know that stuff was actually hard for my day-to-day and my experience. I want to focus more positively in what's going on. I I think there's a balance. Like I think it can lean into toxic, obviously. I don't want to minimize or discredit the difficult things, but I don't know. I'm I'm trying to find the balance right now. There is no balance. I know that's not a real thing, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

Like it's time for word of the week.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Okay. What was last week's? I really liked it and I already forgot. Aquanimous. Aquanimus.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Aquanimus.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

I liked that one. It's like you're aquanimous.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Isn't that when you're like media trained? I know that's not what it means, but that you like are very you hold it together. See, I remembered the meaning. You did Aquanimous. Okay, what's this week's word?

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Helcyan.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

H A L C Y O N. Helcyan.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Halcyon. The spelling makes me uncomfortable, but I like the way it sounds. Okay. Helcyan. I think that should be the name in a fantasy book.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

I'm sure it is. Okay. Yeah. It's got a very fantasy. I feel like people use it.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Okay, tell me about the whimsy.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Denoting a period of time in the past that was idyllic, happy, or peaceful.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

Halcyon.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

It's kind of like the heyday.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

So would it be in a sentence be like that time was Halcyon?

SPEAKER_03 37:03

Uh the Helsian days of something. Okay. The Halsian days. It's like an adjective in that case. There is a noun, apparently, which is like a mythical bird or a special African kingfisher.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

Like in normal language, the Halsian days of summer.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

I don't think I'm going to be using that one that much.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

Sure, yeah, yeah. Tell me last week.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Aquanimous. I want to use Aquanus.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Halcyon's easy for easier for me to remember. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

You're going to sound hella smart when you drop Aquanimus.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

I really struggle with words in my brain.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Hmm. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Like they don't process or stay there. I really struggle with names.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Really?

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Yeah. I work really hard at it. Like it's something that I put a lot of effort into. It makes sense. Remembering names, saying them out loud, repeating them back to people, etc. But I'm really bad at it.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

I was gonna say, because I think of you as someone who is really good with names.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

I practiced really hard when I was photographing weddings, but I have never really gotten better at it. I have tricks and I work at it because I think it's really important.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

But it's not a natural gift.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Well, you fooled me.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

I think that we are starting to run a little low on time, so let's check email and next slide.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Yeah, let's get some emails in here. First ones first. Hello. I'm just wondering what the age gap is between your three kiddos. What did you guys plan for these gaps? Did you enjoy the gaps? We had our first baby in June, and we definitely want to add to our family. And I don't know how to decide, understanding that we can't plan, you know, totally, what a good gap would be. Two under two seems daunting, but is it better to just get the dirty diapers over? Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Our kids are about two years apart in each.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Yeah, give or take.

Name Memory, Emails, And Age Gaps

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Yeah, give or take. And I don't think there's a right answer to this question. I feel like I get asked this a lot, and I genuinely don't think there is a one size fit-all or a better best option. I really like ours are close. I don't know that I would plan for 202, which we did plan for 202 because I had a lot of stress around having an only child that I had not yet unpacked. That I am now with three children, unpacking a little bit in my own personal uh life. But I don't know. 202 has been cool and they are like best buddies. They love to play together, they're so much fun. But I really don't think there's a right answer. Uh, my best friend has a three and a half year age gap, and that's been really fun, and they're loving that. And my sisters and I are six and nine years apart. We're kind of a bad example because we didn't ever live in the same household. But as adults, we are in the same seasons of life together because my oldest sister didn't have kids till a little bit later, and I didn't have kids young per se. Like her kids are older than ours, but they're semi-close. Like we're both in the child rearing years at the same time. I think it's really more about the family dynamic that you're gonna foster in the relationships that you're gonna foster than the actual age gap.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Yeah, yeah. I think the biggest thing is how prepare are you, like as a parent, to do the baby thing again? The diaper part, I feel like it's kind of overstated.

SPEAKER_00 40:23

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 40:24

Uh, because potty training means when they gotta go, you gotta find a bathroom now.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

You don't want to be potty training with a newborn.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Yeah. It will be fine. The potty training is hard. Yeah. Not because we had people tell us, you know, you don't want one out of diapers, and then they see a baby in diapers and they'll regress. That might be a thing. That wasn't the case for us. We should have potty trained earlier, honestly, with our first because she was ready before and then after, she's like, eh, not that interested now. So go with your gut there, but don't make diapers and potty training your primary choice, I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Yeah, if you don't feel super ready, give yourself more time. Like, I I really do think that's I don't think you'll regret making yourself more ready. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

I think you'll make a you could regret making a decision based on some arbitrary number that makes sense to you at the time, and then you not being in the state that you feel like you need to be to make a big choice like that. I think is probably the best frame of reference. Let's get another another email in at least.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Hi, Joe and Matt. I'm an almost 25-year-old woman. I'm looking for dating advice. I know that you two have been together for over the last 15 years, but I need some unbiased advice from someone who isn't my friend or my mother. I feel like I'm going crazy. For some background, my last serious relationship was when I was still a teenager almost eight years ago. Gained a lot of trauma from that relationship. He broke up with me by ghosting me twice. And when I finally asked him why he dumped me, his reasoning was that I started putting myself first instead of always focusing on his problems. I then went off to university and didn't really date, mostly because of COVID and everything being online for most of the time I was there. But I went on a few dates. Now I'm trying to date. I've been using the online dating apps for a year and a half and it's not going well. The first guy I started seeing regularly decided to test me by not texting me for two weeks after saying that he was going to be busy. I am partially at fault because I didn't reach out during that period, but at the time I was covering holidays at work and working six days a week. Then when I did reach out, he told me that he didn't feel a connection and thought that I felt the same because I didn't message him. For context, the date right before this test, I had told him to his face that I liked him and wanted to see where this went. And his response was, I'm good with anything. Since then, nothing has really gone anywhere. And I've been on and off the apps. Until recently, I matched with this guy and he seemed to really hit it off. We were flirty and talking with him was easy. I wanted to get to know him before committing to a date, and we were snowed in, so a date hasn't happened yet. Then he's since ghosted me. Just stopped responding, and I reached out and didn't get a response. I'm trying to not let it bother me, but it really sucks. I don't know what happened or where everything went wrong. I try to convince myself that it's better that it happened now instead of later, but getting rejections over and over again really does a number on my self-esteem. Any advice? Anything's appreciated at this point.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Oh first, first 25-year-old men are largely garbage. I was a 25-year-old man kind of garbage, uh, a fair amount of the time. Listening to stories of women trying to have real relationships with men between the ages of like 20 and 25, and much older too. There's garbage men all the way up, but um, especially this age range, I feel like, is brutal. And I remember being a brutal to deal with a 22-year-old, 23-year-old. And it's not that you're all bad, it's just the the brain function is not all there, and science backs that up, and it's just infuriating to look back on.

Dating Apps, Ghosting, And Self-Worth

SPEAKER_00 43:58

I think the dating now. Are really brutal too. I think I would like to start by telling you that I don't think you're alone in this experience. I do not think that it's personal. Obviously, I don't know what you're saying or what you're doing or what. So, like, okay, maybe you're doing something just out of left field. I don't know. But I have plenty of single friends who are on the dating apps. And let me tell you, more often than not, the stories I hear are bananas and crazy and bad. I don't think it says a lot about your value as a person. I really think if you're looking to date and you're looking to meet somebody, the best thing to do is go out and really lean into living your life. It's not seeking somebody out, but instead seeking out the life that you want to be living. There's that marathon example that I always talk about. Somebody told me this when I was just out of college. I don't remember who. It was a family friend who was talking to me about your 20s and said, we get really busy looking around at the people around us in life. So it's kind of like a marathon. And if you shoot out the gate and run as fast as you can to try and keep up with a group that's going really quick, you're going to end up exhausted and then falling back. And if you don't run at the pace that you're capable of, you're going to end up back with a group that's maybe going slower. And yeah, you're going to be surrounded with people, but they're not people who are actually going your speed. So you don't feel like you're living up to your full potential. But if you focus on yourself and you start running the marathon at the speed that feels right to you and comfortable to your body, you'll get a certain amount into that marathon and look around you and realize you're surrounded by people who are also running at your same pace. And I think that analogy is really important in building relationships, building a village, building anything when it comes to life, because I think we get so busy looking around us, feeling like we're alone, that we lose out seeking affirmation and approval from the person that's most important, and that is ourselves. So you need to be finding a life that feels good to you, pursuing the things that feel good to you. And in my experience, my friends that have really poured themselves into that, that are wanting a relationship, it is within pursuing those things that suddenly they meet somebody and it works out. I'm not saying that apps can't work and that you don't meet like I know plenty of people who have met people on apps.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

But more times than not, I feel like the people they meet that it works really well with are people that they have mutual friends with. They saw them on the app. That's how they found out they were single, that's how they ended up talking, but they are already connected and know each other through one way or another.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Yeah, I the apps, thank God I don't have to be on the apps. The teeny tiny amount I was on apps when we were, it was like it was not a a good platform for me, but it having it's it's not you. Don't compromise your own worth and your own values, uh thinking that it's something wrong with you. It's not. And having to compromise yourself just to have a shittier option of partner is not a good path. I think to lean on what Joe's saying, focus on your life, fulfilling your life outside of the apps and making sure your life is one that you're enjoying living with or without a partner, and that kind of confidence and that kind of self-determination. One is attractive to people, and two means that you don't have to rely on these shitty partner options that are testing you with bananas, asinine tests because they're yeah, the moment somebody tests me, I'm out. 25-year-old idiots. Like you are better off being alone than being with some of these people. It's just a fact, and hopefully one day they realize it too. But um good God, I'm so sorry on behalf of uh men. There were some real there were things at 23, 24, 25 that you're just not considerate, and you just don't like it's for some reason men do not look outside of themselves. And looking back, it's like, what on earth did you think that was gonna do? Like, it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

Do you think that's age or cultural?

SPEAKER_03 48:30

Both. Something about the apps and that format and today's culture and how we've uh infantilized men to some degree all coincides and builds up these insane ideas. I don't know. It's it's it's a whole culture issue with men right now in general. And it's not you can't put it on one thing or the other, but I'm really sorry. I'm sorry that that's your experience, and it's not you, it's us.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

It's Matt.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

I guess at one point in time it probably was.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

Hopefully not.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

But um yeah, don't don't compromise yourself for these losers.

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SPEAKER_00 49:12

And don't allow it to tap on anything to do with your self-worth because you're awesome.

SPEAKER_03 49:20

They're two totally separate things. Like if you want to work on yourself or you have feelings uh of your own accord or things that you want to work on, fine. Don't let it be from these idiots. Like, don't they do not have informed opinions that are worth taking into consideration?

SPEAKER_00 49:36

It's no kind of harsh opinions, but I don't necessarily disagree with you.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

I don't know. The small sample size that I listened to sucked. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

Well, on that note, send us more emails. I think that we have a few more that we'll get to next week, but we would love voicemails, we love your emails, and thanks for all the support on the podcast. If you could rate, review, follow us, send 16 of your closest friends. We love you.

SPEAKER_03 50:04

19 of your closest friends. Oh, okay. 16 is not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

We can't we can't afford only 16.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

On that note, bye.