Toenail Watch And Body Standards

We bounce from can-crack banter into a in depth talk about body image and how the internet keeps trying to drag us back into hyper thin beauty standards. Along the way we share real life parenting updates, a Mother’s Day recap, and a listener's experience with a shared disease.

This week we discuss:

• Energy drink confusion and the ongoing quest for the perfect can crack 
• The accidental “lisp” DMs and how perception shapes confidence 
• A packed summer calendar and why we have to reset the house now 
• Decluttering struggles, clothing piles, and the slippery slope of “piling spaces” 
• Mother’s Day highlights and the long-game French toast method 
• Sewing as a new hobby and the dream t-shirt quilt plan 
• The viral 160-pound body shaming video and why the backlash mattered 
• Why weight is a poor measure of health and how language reveals stigma 
• GLP-1 meds, the return of 2000s beauty standards, and what we want to model for our kids 
• Bad dad and mean mom moments, plus what it feels like to be seen by your kids 
• Word of the week: susuration 
• Listener voicemail update on hand, foot, and mouth and the dreaded “toenail watch” 
• Advice for the jump from one to two kids with an 18-month gap 
• Baby product recommendations, what is worth splurging on, and why less is more 

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Transcript

Cold Open Drinks And Can Cracks

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Are we opening with drinks? Hello. I don't You're spilling your drink on your are you drinking a selt No, that's an energy drink. I thought it was a seltzer at first. Is it an energy drink?

SPEAKER_04 0:11

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

It's not a seltzer. Okay. It's a ghost. I was like, are you drinking? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

Could be.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

I well, I've noticed you doing that occasionally. Not I now I'm making it sound like you've just been I've had like two extra drinks in the last month.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

She's like, I've noticed you've started drinking.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Well, okay, so here's the deal. Let me just before I jump into what I'm drinking, let me uh preface by saying you drink socially only. Yeah. Like truly exclusively socially. And so it is a very like weird occurrence to see you crack a beverage that has alcohol in it.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

If it's just us at home.

SPEAKER_04 0:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Like I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen you do it. And I think three of those five are in the last like two months. Yeah. Which again, obviously, three drinks in two months is not that many.

SPEAKER_05 1:05

Just a pure binge drinker. No, I'm working my way into being like a stereotypical dad. I might just start just okay. Drinking beers.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Oh, you're not you're not even drinking. You're just working your, you're like, it's in a can. So that's that's a good start.

SPEAKER_05 1:19

We start with any alcoholic beverage in a can.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

I mean, left to my own devices, it'd be like a glass of champagne.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

I was about to say, does champagne come in a can?

SPEAKER_05 1:27

Champagne dad?

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Matt Matt's like, can anybody want to make a canned champagne with me?

SPEAKER_05 1:31

Yeah, something that looks cool when I drink it.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

We'll work on that. We'll work on that. Okay, I'm drinking a Red Bull Zero, which apparently I claimed I didn't like. And I this week have decided I do like.

SPEAKER_05 1:42

I would say it falls sweetness-wise, somewhere between like a full sugar Red Bull and a sugar-free. Sugar-free, I think, has more of a bite. Now that I've drank a few of these Red Bull Zeros, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Different sweetener. It's a erythritol. Erythritol. Erythritol.

SPEAKER_04 1:56

Erythritol.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Erythritol?

SPEAKER_04 1:58

Erythritol.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

What? That makes me feel like I have a lisp.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

Well, I mean.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Wait, does everybody on the podcast know about that?

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Erythritol?

SPEAKER_02 2:06

No. Everybody's saying that I have a lisp.

SPEAKER_05 2:09

Oh, the Joe Lisp lore. Yeah. Lisp.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Do you guys know it? Hold on. That was not as crispy. The rock star last week was really satisfying.

SPEAKER_05 2:20

I think the 16-ounce cans have a better crack.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

I may have already told this story, and if I did, you know what? You're the one that found yourself back here. I blame you.

unknown 2:29

No.

SPEAKER_05 2:30

It's on the listener, you idiot. They say you should insult your listeners.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

I didn't, yeah. You should. No. Degrade the listener. Actually, really, I really have a hard time even making jokes like that. Like I was trying to move on without apologizing or without justifying or without making a comment. I can't. It's hard.

SPEAKER_04 2:49

That's fair.

The Accidental Lisp Lore

SPEAKER_02 2:50

It's hard. Anyway, Lisp. When I started doing social media, actually, it was years into it. And I started getting DMs from people just every now and again asking me about how I overcame my Lisp and how I became so confident in having my Lisp, etc.

SPEAKER_05 3:06

You got stories that were like, you've inspired me. No, hold on. I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

So after hearing it a couple times, I have two dear friends that are speech pathologists. And I was like, look, I don't care. I'm in my 30s. Nobody's ever said anything to me prior to now.

SPEAKER_05 3:22

My entire elementary school missed this diagnosis.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

All the way through college. No one's ever said anything. And so I was like, Do I have something going on where I'm pronouncing my words wrong? And they were both like, no, absolutely not. You do not. And then one friend did tell me that I have a regional dialect. A regional dialect of how I pronounce some words.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

And she's wondering if that was Yeah, because there's like a Midwest, like specifically Iowa, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Specific Iowa like pronunciation, like a region of Iowa, um, which my mom has it too. So then I one day get this DM, which was meaning so well. Sent me this long DM of this aunt, I think, maybe a mom. I think it was an aunt though, that was like, my niece is 10 years old. She really struggles with the lisp. And I've showed her your page because I wanted to show her what somebody confidently living with one looks like. And I just wanted to reach out and see if you had any words of wisdom to her of what it was like growing up with this, and anything you could do to like comfort her that it gets better and this and that. And I had to respond, like, look, no great, you know, like I'm happy to be a role model, but I cannot help her in what it's like to grow up with it because I was not made aware that I even had any kind of anything until this year.

SPEAKER_05 4:44

Maybe don't burst her bubble, but I I don't think I classify for a a lisp.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Yeah. Nobody made fun of me for it. If I you know what that is living proof though, that really it's about what people tell you, less about what actually exists.

SPEAKER_05 4:56

No, no, no. Perception is reality.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Right. Anyway, I just think that's funny.

SPEAKER_05 5:00

That is it's a it's a good bit that we have going.

Summer Chaos And Decluttering Mindset

SPEAKER_02 5:02

Yeah. What what do you have uh going on this week? Update the people.

SPEAKER_05 5:07

Oh, going on this week. Man, we've had a we had a packed week, and we're about to have another, it's gonna be about what two months of chaos.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 5:14

We've got trips, all trips and trips, birthdays, other birthdays, other events. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

It's gonna be fun. We have a fun summer ahead.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

We have a really fun summer, but when you set it all in a row, like two days ago, I was like, oh, oh man, we gotta, we gotta lock in here.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

We we we gotta tighten up this ship.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

Yeah, we gotta, because we're starting right now, we gotta reset our house. We got laundry all over the place. There is a lot of cleaning up to do. And when you said all of that, once I was like, oh, we can't start this way. It's not gonna get better till September, if this is how we start.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:48

So I'm uh trying to psych myself up to clean all of the clothes in our house and get rid of half of our stuff. Yeah. So bad at getting rid of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

You're so bad at it. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

I'm not quite a hoarder, but I'm not that far away.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

You're not a hoarder. Like, you won't let it get to where it's like piling. Well, in specific spaces, you will, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 6:06

If I have a piling space, it can pile.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Do you think that if you lived by yourself, you would allow all spaces to be piling spaces?

SPEAKER_05 6:12

Maybe not all spaces, but I think my quantity of piling spaces would increase. And I think maybe that's how you become a hoarder. And then I'm saying it out loud, and I'm like, well, and eventually you end up with one space that's not a piling space, and the rest of the spaces are. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Well, that's why I asked, because I feel like you're really respectful of me not liking stuff.

SPEAKER_05 6:34

Yeah. I've I've again, you we talk about this regularly. You've really forced me to grow as a human being.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

And it's all good. I just you've really pushed back at it though. Yeah, I like to undermine authority just to see if it works.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

I don't want to be authority. Yeah. I don't like being referred to as authority.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

Yeah. I just I like to, well, what's a better way to put that? Push against guidance. Yeah. I pathological demand avoidance is what you label it, uh, not what you do. Well, you still have clothes from college. I still have clothes from high school.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Why?

SPEAKER_05 7:09

Actually, that might not be true. Maybe not specifically high school, because I was like a medium or a large one. Well, I was a I was a large and I was wearing mediums. Then in college, I was an extra large wearing larges.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

And now you're a 2X wearing XLs. No. You're wearing an XL right now.

SPEAKER_05 7:24

I'm somewhere between an XL and a 2XL wearing two XLs, but that's a a body image issue. So you have definitely pushed me in terms of clothes to just buy stuff that fits.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

But then you have to get rid of the stuff that doesn't.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

Yeah, that's where we're starting to. That's where the I'm like one day, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

I would say there's 40 clothing items that you wear on rotation. Yeah. And then he has about 400 more that's in the closet.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

It's hard. It's not an easy thing. I'm giving you items.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

That like I really wear. And then there's 25 items that I'll wear if I run out of my staple items. And then there's 200.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

But I feel like if you got rid of everything and only had your staple items, you'd be more on top of laundry. The clutter would feel like less. It would like it would be easier for everything all around.

SPEAKER_05 8:10

That's true. It would probably force me to be like, you are out of clothes. Otherwise, I go into my closet and I'm like, look at all these clothes.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Right.

SPEAKER_05 8:17

I don't actually like looking in my closet, but maybe that's something we'll tackle together.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

When? I've recommended it a couple times. That's not true.

SPEAKER_05 8:25

Which I just we're about to be so bad. I'm already getting snowed under by the idea of being busy.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Well, and that's the thing, is something that you and time is just interesting because when you have all the time in the world, you're like, oh, I have all the time in the world. I guess I'll do it when I do it. And then when you start getting limited on time, you're like, well, I guess we can't do it then. I can't do anything.

SPEAKER_05 8:45

There's a sweet spot where I have a little bit of time just enough and pressure.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

Yeah. It's probably this week. This week you actually have the whole week because it's not too crazy day to day, but you're about to have a lot going on.

Mother's Day Wins And French Toast

SPEAKER_02 8:59

There's a lot to be done. So on that note, we had Mother's Day. I had a wonderful Mother's Day. Good.

SPEAKER_05 9:05

Good.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

I woke up in the morning to breakfast in bed, brought by my daughter and dad. Her dad, you. Yes. I said that was really weird. Afterward, I was like, hmm, I don't like that. Anyway, Matt made French toast and it was phenomenal. I don't know where you found that recipe, but it was some of the best French toast I've ever had.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Like better than any restaurant French toast I've ever had.

SPEAKER_05 9:28

I can cook. I don't do it, but I can.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

That was you haven't cooked like that in a really long time though.

SPEAKER_05 9:33

I feel like especially with kids, it's gotten a little bit more challenging just in that cooking like that sometimes takes a lot of focus. Because what it was is I made French toast. I used actual French bread. I had to soak it for like five minutes on each side, each piece individually, sear both sides individually because they were like two inch thick cuts, which is why it works well because the crust of the bread gives it structure, but then it's really thick and custardy. But you're searing each piece individually or in groups, then you have to bake it beyond that to cook it through. And it was like an hour, hour and a half process to do this whole pan of French toast. But I do like elaborate cooking. You're good at it.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Like you really are. I don't know that there's ever been a time that something hasn't hit.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

I've tried it. I'm not like I serve people my food and they're like, it's edible.

unknown 10:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

Solid. Good, solid food.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

It's never bad, but it's never good either. It's just like, yeah, that we can eat this.

SPEAKER_05 10:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

And that really hurts me.

SPEAKER_05 10:33

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Because I've put a lot of time and effort in, and it's just not a talent of mine.

Sewing Plans And The T-Shirt Quilt

SPEAKER_05 10:38

I don't know. I only cook high or low, I feel like. It's either no effort or all the effort. Yeah. Again, that's just a lifestyle. Just how I do everything. I got the sewing machine out. It hasn't been running yet, but I've been getting the tools, the accoutrement gathered, ready to start this thing. I've only been hyping it, what, three weeks on this podcast?

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Have you?

SPEAKER_05 10:58

No, I don't know. I've probably brought your scissors. I got shears. I got needles. Do we have chalk and like pins? I feel like we have pins somewhere. The outline? No. I mean not in Taylor's chalk. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

I mean, I'm like, wow, you're really getting the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 11:17

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

You're taking the ADHD model of taking on a hobby.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

You're like, what if I get all the stuff and by the time I get to it, I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Taylor's chalk is crazy, honestly. Like, you haven't even tried to thread the machine yet.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

Haven't even tried to sew anything. It's like, well, what how am I going to do this without Taylor's chalk?

SPEAKER_02 11:37

I think you're going to really like it though. I like to sew. I I think that it's the kind of project that will be really gratifying for you, but it's very time consuming and intricate or can be and intricate. And I really think it speaks to a lot of your strengths and your interests.

SPEAKER_05 11:52

I like clothes. I like reusing stuff. I like making stuff. It seems like it's going to be in my wheelhouse. I like complicated machinery that you have to fight to make work. I like getting mad at things while I do them and then them turning out good, but just having a battle the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:07

So from what I've seen, sewing could be my thing.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

I made a quilt for you for high school graduation.

SPEAKER_05 12:13

You did. We still have it.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah. Are you going to make a quilt for me?

SPEAKER_05 12:16

Uh I could I could make your quilt, the quilt you've been wanting made out of your college t-shirts.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Uh you could.

SPEAKER_05 12:23

We did finally get all the scraps back. Two or three different people have seen.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Do you know where those are?

SPEAKER_05 12:26

Yes, I do, actually.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Yeah, you could do that. That would be awesome.

SPEAKER_05 12:29

Yeah, I'll do that.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Don't mess it up. No pressure.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

Yeah, irreplaceable.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

I mean, they're just in a bag at this point. So you know, they're already cut up.

SPEAKER_05 12:39

Yeah, they're ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Yeah, I would like that. I always envisioned having all of the squares and then having the pockets like line it. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Well, we'll I have a vision that I've never seen it done that way, but doesn't mean it hasn't. It's not like there's like a running log of all the t-shirt quilts that have been made.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

Man, what else is going on?

Weight Shaming Goes Viral Online

SPEAKER_02 12:59

That's what we got. Are you already ready to jump into Chronically Online?

SPEAKER_05 13:02

Yeah, we can chronically online it.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

So, Chronically Online this week, if you uh live under a rock is the only way you haven't heard about this. Yeah, probably you've even heard about this. Oh, okay. Because I talked about it. There is a video that went mega viral of a gal getting on and saying, if you're 160 pounds, I don't want to hear from you. I don't think you should have an attitude. I think you should be taking that attitude to the treadmill, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I don't know how viral her video went, but stitches to the video started going really viral. By the time I looked up her video, her account was private. And so I do know that after she also put up a follow-up video, being like, I'm 113 pounds, like it worked. All the fat bitches are mad. Like that, like that's pretty much. I don't know that that's what she's doing. Double dead. She did double down and was like talking about her how much she weighed, like putting a lot of value into what she weighs. I don't know. It was very interesting. Interesting. And how tall is she? No, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_05 14:11

That's an important factor when people talk about weight. That's what's always wild. I'm like, how tall are you? 113 pounds can be wildly different if you're 113 pounds is probably always going to be small. What if you're four foot tall?

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Yeah, exactly. Like, but who do you know that's four feet tall? Let's talk in the range of normalcy. I'm just saying. It's okay to if you're, you know, but that's not No, I understand 113 pounds specifically.

SPEAKER_05 14:36

Just when people talk about weight, height is such a thing. Frame is such a factor.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Frame is a factor, muscle mass is a factor. The thing is, let's just not talk about what people need to weigh because it's not a reasonable measure of anything. Yeah. And the thing that I want to, well, one, I want to talk about a stitch that I saw to the video that I thought was, well, I don't even know that it was a stitch. It was just somebody talking about it. And she said, you know what? I think that the girl that made the video talking about 160 pounds being too big just loves women.

SPEAKER_05 15:06

Oh, this was good.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

And she went on because she talked about scrolling the comment section and it just being hundreds, thousands of women sharing pictures and being like, I'm 170 pounds, I'm 190 pounds. And she went on and said, I mean, just so you guys know, I also 160 pounds, gross. Like what's going on? And she's like, if you need to leave comments proving me wrong, showing me how hot you are.

SPEAKER_05 15:35

You want to share pictures about how hot you are at 160 pounds, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Yeah. Prove me wrong.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

That was a good bit. That was a good bit.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

But the thing that I want to discuss is do you think that it's purely a rage bait strategy and nothing else? Or do you think that's a good thing?

SPEAKER_05 15:52

I don't think that was a rage bait strategy.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

You don't?

SPEAKER_05 15:54

I mean, I know there's people that would do that.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:57

It seemed fairly genuine from like the clip that I saw.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

You think she really thought people were gonna agree with her?

SPEAKER_05 16:03

Yeah, I think she thought she was cooking. Like she's like, I got this thought. This is totally gonna hit. Could definitely be wrong. It could just be well acted. That just it seemed like a take that's crazy to me. She on an airplane? I feel like she was on an airplane. No, no.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

She's just in a living room. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 16:18

It is crazy, but people are crazy.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

I can't fathom making commentary on other people like that. Like calling out a demographic and being like this demographic? Stupid.

SPEAKER_05 16:32

Hey, it's never been a better time for them. Well, not never, but it's having a real resurgence of just attacking out groups, you know?

SPEAKER_02 16:39

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 16:40

It is crazy. I'm not saying it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

The first video I saw of it was a really good stitch talking about it 10 toast down is the account, and her handle is on my stitch video to it on TikTok because I downloaded the video from her because the other girls' account was private. Go watch it because it's really good. She's kind of sarcastic and funny, but also she does a really good job talking about how it just speaks into insecurity about something. Like to need to write in commentary about other people's bodies in order to prove that your smaller body has value is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

And I was really surprised. I I don't know. I feel like generally speaking, at least amongst the women that I surround myself with, we've moved so far past the body shaming and the expectations of bodies to look a certain way. And our conversations have been a lot more centered around health.

SPEAKER_05 17:37

Do you think it helps that we're 30 in our 30s? No.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

No. I mean, think about our parents.

SPEAKER_05 17:42

That's fair. Our parents' generation is definitely not the same.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

They're fixated and they're fixated on being thin, not being like they they associate thinness with health. And it's not that being lean doesn't provide some kind of health benefit to some sure. Can, but it's also not the only path to health, and it's not the only appearance of health.

SPEAKER_05 18:04

That's valid. Because there's definitely an argument that our parents' generation, even if somebody was in really good shape, super strong, healthy, but just bigger, they would be like, nah.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Right.

SPEAKER_05 18:14

That's not it.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

And so I had assumed because of who I was surrounded with and the conversations that I was having, not that it's fixed. It's not like I was like, oh, there's no more body hate in the world. We've fixed it.

SPEAKER_05 18:25

But a post-racial, post-weight world, you know.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

I really thought that progress had pushed forward, especially as we were seeing more campaigns with an abundance of shapes and sizes, and you're seeing more inclusive sizing across lots of brands, etc. And it seems like we were just at the tipping point where it was becoming more normalized. And it's like we jumped a hundred steps back.

SPEAKER_05 18:49

You think GLP ones are a big part of that?

SPEAKER_02 18:52

100%. And I I said that in my video, and I actually got a lot of pushback on it from people who are on GLP ones, upset about what I said, which I didn't take what I said as commentary on GLP ones per se. I said in a world right now where we're seeing GLP ones on the rise, and they're on the rise for anybody that wants them. Like if you jump through the right hoops, I know a lot of women personally who have been dishonest through virtual doctor's appointments or done different things in order to obtain a GLP one for the simple concept of getting thinner.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

And that's it. And that's what I was speaking to. And there were a lot of people explaining, well, I'm on a GLP one for my health. And I, you know, GLP ones have been studied, and I really wasn't getting into any of that. I think that it is a drug that is really helpful to a lot of people. I don't know that it is something that everybody needs to be on. No, I know it's not something everybody needs to be on. And I know that it's being abused by a large swath of people.

SPEAKER_05 19:54

Yeah, I mean, to some degree it makes it easier to be able to have an eating disorder. Yeah. That's really all it is.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

And it doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of applications and that there aren't uses for it and that it's not altering some people's lives in a really positive way, too.

SPEAKER_05 20:07

There's a lot of emerging studies on how it can affect not only eating, but uh other addictive, I think like gambling, drinking, some things. But there's a lot of applications to it, I think, outside of just weight loss in terms of how it helps break cycles for people. There's tons of great applications for it. And to some degree, I don't even care if you're using it. It just you should probably be okay with using it. So many people were being like, I'm on one for this reason and that reason. It's like, okay, great.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

I don't know. I I've been really working on not trying to preface everything I say with a hundred, what am I trying to say?

SPEAKER_05 20:39

Caveats.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Yeah, like I've been really trying to do that. And so I'm glad that I did not do that. And I think that if you're critically thinking and understanding what I'm saying, I don't think I said anything crazy. I think, regardless of people being on it for health benefits, etc., there is a cultural problem with people getting two thousands thin again. And we are seeing people blow away in the wind and deprioritize their health in order to be just a sliver. And I genuinely, I don't care what your body looks like, as long as, well, I guess I don't really have saved no matter what, but I just want people to be healthy. I want them to be learning about their mobility. I want them to be building strength. I want them to be able to have bodies that carry them into their later years and allow them to live a life that makes them feel good rather than look a certain way. And I understand that appearances and having things about your appearance altered can benefit your overall comfortability in your body. And yet I still think the focus should be that mobility, strength, and just overall holistic health.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

I I struggle with a lot of that. Definitely the uh the two thousands beauty standards. They got me for sure. My body does not want to it holds weight easily. I can gain weight, like muscle mass. I can like all of that is really good in some aspects. I'm just not somebody who is skinny without an extreme amount of work. And that was definitely prioritized.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

And I feel like maybe that's hard too because the overall pattern that gets talked about is it's so easy for men.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Yeah. I don't know. It's easy for me because I can eat extreme. Oh, I can eliminate this entire food group. I cannot eat for three days, but that's just disordered eating in a different capacity. It's like I I can either binge eat or I can do the opposite of binge eating, which is just starving yourself. I guess that's still binge eating. You just spread out your binges, you know. Correct. So that's always uh yeah, I remember being really it like it still bothers me. And there's a total body dysmorphia aspect, but that's the other part of it too, is when you start idolizing this stuff and when it becomes such a big part of your internal dialogue and your self-image, it's almost impossible to reach a standard that you'll ever be happy with. You'll continue to just pick yourself apart. And so I'm having to deconstruct that actively currently, which is uh a blast. So much fun.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Well, we've talked a lot about saying things out loud. I I feel like having my mom as an example was such a privilege because her body was deteriorating and things weren't working how they were supposed to. And she always did a really good job of focusing on what she had to be grateful for. Not that she didn't allow herself to feel the things that were going on, but it was always, hey, but I can still get out of bed in the morning. Hey, I still get to enjoy these shows with people that I love and so on and so forth. And I feel like I really adopted that mindset because there are plenty of days I look in the mirror and I'm like, ooh, I don't like that today. But on those days when I'm feeling that way, I'm like, okay, that's how you feel. We're gonna give ourselves a second. Now we're gonna think about yes, I look X, Y, Z, and I got myself out of bed today. I have a roof over my head, I can walk in that room and pick up both of my children at once if I want to, because I'm strong, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And normally just a few comments like that, and I will feel more grounded and I just know not to look in the mirror that day.

SPEAKER_05 24:01

Even though that's nice, yeah. You've you've pushed me a lot in those those aspects. But it's still hard. It's still a a pain in the ass. And it's it's tough because I look back on seasons of my life before.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Where you looked hot.

SPEAKER_05 24:13

Sure. And even at that time, I was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

You still look hot.

SPEAKER_05 24:16

I wasn't insinuating that I'm not I don't want to sit here and act like I'm horrifically out of shape. It's just like I struggle with it. I struggle with the self-image of how I look right now and how I would like to look and how I feel I should look. And it again, I don't want to sit here and be like, oh poor me, I look terrible. But like I look fine. Like I'm I look healthier now than I did a year or two ago. I look back at pictures from five, six years ago, and I'm like, oh wow, he was in better shape than the guy I am now is. And at that time, I was not happy with how I looked either. I can think of like almost no times in my life that I've been really successful.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

I can't think of anything.

SPEAKER_05 24:51

Anytime that I've known you that you've I feel like I had like one summer where I felt okay taking my shirt off. Okay, not great. I wasn't like the first one to do it, but if it was happening, it's like, okay, I look acceptable enough to me that I feel okay in my body.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

It's not all I'm thinking about.

SPEAKER_05 25:06

Yeah. Yeah. I could do other things and not worry about it. But every other point in my life, it's an issue. And it's just part of it.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Do you think part of that is family dynamics growing up?

SPEAKER_05 25:16

Maybe. I mean, again, when you talk about culturally from our generation, you had the media environment, which is we are gonna just pump extremely thin, extremely fit people towards you, and that's all of the marketing, and that still exists to some degree. And then I think our parents' generation reinforced all of that. Oh, they're thin, they look good, they don't look good. Sometimes it wasn't even pointed at other people, it was how they talk about themselves. You're like, okay, got it. That's how I think about my body, that's how we're supposed to do it. And so I really hope I don't pass a lot of that down. I try not to vocalize any of what I'm thinking. I try to really enforce the function, the strength, all those aspects when we're talking to the kids, even when I'm talking out loud to myself.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

I think it's also important to model praising yourself though, too. And that's hard.

SPEAKER_05 25:59

Yeah, that one's not great. I don't know if there's a lesson in that. I just no, it's just I think it's a good discussion though.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

I anyway, that was my chronically online for the week because I just thought that was pretty jarring and I I almost didn't make a video responding to it because I was like, this is rage bait. Like it's just to make people angry. But hearing you say that you think it's just like she thought she was absolutely eating, like she's like, people are gonna love this, they're gonna get it. We hate fatties. I don't I something that I really struggle with is the way that culturally people think they've moved forward. And yet, if you say the word big or you say the word fat, people will immediately respond and say, Oh no, no, no, no. And I'm like, oh, so you think those things are negative? Yeah, it really bothers me. 100%. It really bothers me. I don't know. And that's probably not ever gonna resolve. I like not in our generation.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

We're quite a distance away from that, and some of it is as you have more dialogues and more acceptance, people get more sensitive to the words and the language, and there's two sides to that coin in terms of you can improve, and then it still stigmatizes when things don't fit inside of the boxes that we've improved, especially because of GLP ones and stuff. It's become a lot easier to demonize people that are overweight again. I think we made a lot of progress on accepting that everybody has different experiences and different situations and the how that affects their weight. And now that we have a drug that is widely effective, it's not I mean, again, there's a lot of people that have substantial issues from taking them, but it is effective for what it's like.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

So, like, why don't you just Yeah. Now that there's a shortcut that I hate calling it a shortcut because I really do think that if you're utilizing it correctly, it takes a lot of work to like do it well. Totally. So I I would push back on not the right word for it.

SPEAKER_05 27:41

Yeah. But now that there is a pill or a injection available that you could be taking. I mean, some people can't afford it, some people like there's so many circumstances that go outside of that. But the way people think of it is just, well, you could do this thing, and you could also be skinny, you could be good. We used to have to accept people that weren't our ideal, and now we could all be ideal.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Hate it.

Bad Dad Mean Mom And Kids' Honesty

SPEAKER_05 28:01

It's not great. We're not condoning it, just I think that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Uh bad dad, mean mom.

SPEAKER_05 28:06

Bad dad, mean mom.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

What do you got?

SPEAKER_05 28:08

Well, we did good on Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Mm-hmm. You did great.

SPEAKER_05 28:11

It was really fun. This isn't a bad dad moment, but I did take the kids and I asked where they wanted to go, and they said Sam's Club. I was like, I'll never turn down an opportunity to go to Sam's Club. We went there and they were having a blast. They're like, we want these flowers, get this hydrangea, giant hydrangea. And I would ask every time, I was like, Do you think this is something mom would like? And they'd be like, Yep. We got a giant seahorse for the pool.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

You know that that immediately got traded.

SPEAKER_05 28:34

They traded it out for the one they used to have.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Yeah. They were like, uh, so we were thinking We're thinking how much you love crabs. Yeah. Do you want to trade for the one we got last year? And this one can be ours. I was like, strategic. I like it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

We got we got the the squirt guns that you like suck up water and then push them out.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Okay, that was pretty fun though. I was pretty excited to think about it.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

They picked those things and I was like, I think mom is gonna think these are cool. It's very pool themed. Mom loves a body of water. So it was that was part of why I was like, yep, we'll get these for mom. She'll think it's fun, she'll know that you guys picked them out for sure. And our oldest on her drive home, she's like, Dad, I think we might have just picked stuff that we like and said that mom liked it. And I was like, I think mom's gonna like it.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

But yeah, I also think that's some good reflective thinking, and we'll work on that moving forward.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

That's good insight. Because again, I challenged him every time. Like, is this what mom would want? Yes, she would love this. That might be a new tradition, just take him to Sam's and be like,$75. Go nuts.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

So for both of them?

SPEAKER_05 29:36

Yeah, just to pick like whatever.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

I'm like, that's a lot on Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Like flowers and whatever.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you.

SPEAKER_05 29:42

It ends up being pool toys. I mean, let's be honest. It's in May.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yeah, they're like, the pool's gonna be soon. Yeah, that's hilarious. So I guess perfect parents. I'm trying to think if I had anything. Oh, I have something.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

Um, mean mom. Really, I feel like this ends up being bad mom more than mean mom. But for Mother's Day in their classes, they do those things where they fill out all the things they think about mom. And it was so cute. Like my favorite animal, every not everything's wrong, but like most of it's wrong. I'm 26, I'm 80 pounds, my favorite animal's a raccoon.

SPEAKER_05 30:17

Speaking of bodies, yeah. And 26-year-old, 80 pounds.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

My hobby is to watch the internet. Oh, mean mom. I hated that. It like sat with me all day long. I was like, oh. Because I try so hard to be really intentional with the kids and not be scrolling on my phone and stuff when I'm with them. And so to hear they think my hobby's watching the internet irked me.

SPEAKER_05 30:44

That could have been one moment. It could have been the night before when you had two ads and had a bunch of stuff due. And so they just that was top of mind. Because there's tons of other days they'd be like gardening, going for a walk, swimming, all these other things that you do love doing. And I think just that day.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

It hurt me. Yeah. I felt like me and mom.

SPEAKER_05 31:01

Thankfully, Father's Day is like in June. So I'm not gonna get as many of those.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

You got some time.

SPEAKER_05 31:05

We'll see. We'll see what they think dad's hobby is. What do you think they would put?

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Uh, working out.

unknown 31:10

Working out.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

G did ask me what I love to do. That's most my assignment in therapy, by the way. Is that list of things I love and hate that I didn't do like a month ago when I was asked about it, because I hate doing that because it forces me to think and be introspective. And I'd just rather not. I need to work on some hobbies.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Do we have a word of the week?

SPEAKER_05 31:31

Word of the week. Let's get you a word of the week.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Not to like totally pivot you out of, but you're like, I gotta pull Matt out of this spiral.

SPEAKER_05 31:38

You digress.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

You digress.

SPEAKER_05 31:41

I think that's gonna be a staple of the platform, by the way. You digress. Are you familiar with the word? Susuration.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Susseration?

SPEAKER_05 31:49

Susseration.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

No. What am I thinking of? Uh there's a song. I think it's a Sierra song. I don't need no. I'll work on it.

SPEAKER_05 32:00

Yeah, I don't have a deep knowledge of uh Sierra.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

The the end of the word in the song is the same as that, but it's definitely not what susseration. Susseration.

SPEAKER_05 32:11

You want to try and spell it?

SPEAKER_02 32:12

S-U-S.

SPEAKER_05 32:13

Now then.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Really?

SPEAKER_05 32:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

E-R-A-T-I-O-N.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

S-U-S-U-R-R-A-T-I-O-N.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Did I say A-N? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

I meant O-N.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

But anyway.

SPEAKER_05 32:28

Yes, susceration. A very soft whispering, murmuring, or rustling sound.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:34

Or like susurate would be different.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

I like that the word sounds like what it means. Like shush. Yeah. Yeah, susseration.

SPEAKER_05 32:40

Yeah, susseration.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

I like that. Saceration. Susuration. That's a good one. Okay. Wow. Love it. Yeah.

Listener Voicemail Hand Foot And Mouth

SPEAKER_05 32:46

It's a fun little one. Oh, alrighty. Should we get to the what the people are saying?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

I love the people.

SPEAKER_05 32:53

We got voicemails. We got some texts. We got some videos. Do you have a voicemail? Yeah, we do. It looks like we have a voicemail through the text line. I wasn't even aware that was a possibility. Okay, good idea for creating that.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah. Hey Matt and Joe. So I've been listening to a couple of your podcasts, and they'll be talking about uh hand, foot, and mouth. Joe, I had hand, foot, and mouth, and it was horrible. Um, fingernails and toenails did not fall off. So there's your reassurance. Um it hurt so bad. I had them like in the back of my throat. It hurt to swallow. I could not wash dishes, like to stick your hand in a cup and wash it. Could not do that. Um yeah, but my skin did peel on my feet. That was the only thing. But um, so yeah. So just reassuring you, fingernails and toenails did not fall off for me. So I hope that your skin just peels off of your feet. Um, best case scenario. Love listening to you guys.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Uh my feet have the skin is peeling off. I haven't lost any nails yet. Okay. As an update for everybody.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

Toenail watch.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

We're so good. We're still still on toenail gate.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Um, still have all of them. The kids, I keep thinking, are gonna lose them, but they haven't had anything yet.

SPEAKER_03 34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

But everybody looks gnarly. Like it is not gonna be our summer for feet picks. I can tell you that. Like we need we need shoes on. No, I mean like if you're barefoot or you're wearing like a flip-flop as a family, like on the beach or at the pool, like we need closed-toed shoes. You're like, oh, sorry, we're taking a picture. Water shoes for everybody. Put the towel over everyone's feet. Yeah. No, it's it's how my feet look all it's a nightmare. So horrible.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

When we just did a photo shoot where our our feet were hanging off there.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

Yeah, hand foot and mouth is one of the worst things I've ever experienced. I do not recommend.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

That's not great.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

I guess I don't recommend getting sick at all, but let's rank our favorite diseases to get. Okay. My favorite is let's let's move on.

Advice For Two Kids 18 Months Apart

SPEAKER_05 34:57

Let's find something else to talk about. All right, couple more. Hey, I just found out I'm pregnant with my second baby. My babies will be 18 months apart. Any advice for the jump from one to two kids and advice for a close age gap? We don't have family close by, so it's really just me and my husband. Love the pod, here since the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

I feel like the transition to two was pretty smooth for us. I feel like we went in with low expectations.

SPEAKER_05 35:19

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

I also think that having them that close together, the older one is not used to being on their own with lots of extra attention because they are still a baby, which I think is a benefit initially, or at least it was for us.

SPEAKER_05 35:32

Yeah, as they're moving into having more personality, moving into talking more, there's not a huge stage where they have had the run of the place. Our kids half the time are barely walking by that point. And so they're walking and talking. Fun time for them to have all these new abilities. You're like, look, baby, and they're very attached. Because that's pretty close to what our two oldest are talking about.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

And it was smooth. It was great. The transition to two was I don't want to say easy because I think postpartum's always kind of hard in some regards, but I feel like our transition to two was really smooth.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

Yeah, and at 18 months, it's not like you've gotten to a place where you've moved out of. I mean, maybe you've moved out of diapers and you're awesome, but likely you're still in diapers, all that stuff. So you haven't moved to a different phase of life in terms of how things operate. So you'll be in it. You have the experience of already doing it once fairly recently. So you're like, this is how this works. I remember that with our second, feeling like, oh, I have this competence because I have done this before. I know what to look out for, what not to worry about as much, lots of that kind of thing. One to two was good. Congratulations. Yeah, congrats.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

And good luck. Exciting. I don't know, it's fun. Yeah. I really enjoyed the transition to two. The transition to three has really kicked my ass.

SPEAKER_05 36:43

The three's been tougher. Three's definitely been tougher, especially since as our kids almost five and three, and those two ages are definitely higher demand years. And so having a a one-year-old along with that is it's a party.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Now that we're through the first year, I feel like it's gotten a lot easier. For sure. Like, I feel like it's finally mellowing out, and I'm like, okay, we're not.

Baby Gear That Is Worth It

SPEAKER_05 37:01

No, no crazy advice for that gap. They uh are two oldest are buds, they only fight each other every day. But when they're on their own. The best of friends, always looking out for each other. Okay. One more, and then we got things to do. We got a week. It's busy time. So Matt and Joe absolutely love the pod. Happy to have you back for my long commutes to work. My husband and I are expecting our first baby in July. And there are so many baby products that people say you need. I know everyone has different opinions, but what are some of your top baby recommendations, no matter how big or small? Also, what are some things that are worth splurging on? I'm hopeful we will have a few kids over the next few years, and I obviously want to have quality items that will last, but we aren't wanting to go crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

I'm less is more. Like, I genuinely think you don't need anything. You need a crib, you need diapers, whether cloth or disposable, whatever you feel like doing. You need to have a couple bottles on deck just in case breastfeeding doesn't work out. If you're choosing to even try that, if you know you're gonna go formula, obviously you need a more robust bottle setup. I would recommend putting in an instant hot tap. If you have the opportunity where you live, if there is a hole in the countertop, or if you own the home and can put a hole in the countertop and add an instant hot, I would splurge on that over a lot of other products because one, you can use it for a variety of things outside of kids, but also you can use it to sanitize passies and bottles and anything like that. The only product that I'm like, yeah, I would absolutely get it is the baby Bjorn bouncer. Like that, all of our kids have loved it. And multiple of our friends who their first they got like the off brand or a different version from someone else that is a similar bouncer. Every single friend that didn't get it ended up borrowing ours when they had their second baby.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

Because it is just like a universally, like I have heard people who don't like it before, but for the most part, the majority of people I've talked to, that is a universally loved item for when babies are bitty.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

The move though is get as little as possible.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

I agree.

SPEAKER_05 39:09

Now, there it's complicated in that like you have showers and people usually want to go big, especially for your first kid. But aim for gender-neutral clothes.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

A good stroller.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

A good stroller. Do we have a good stroller rack?

SPEAKER_02 39:20

It depends on what you need. I love these are two very different price points. I love our Maxi Cozy travel one. It's great. If you're like, oh man, I'm gonna go bougie, the bugaboo travel stroller is that girl.

SPEAKER_05 39:34

It is really nice.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

It is so nice, it is outrageously expensive. And ours was gifted to us. I don't know that no, I know. I know that if it had not been gifted to me, I would have never been able to convince myself to spend that on a stroller.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

However, what's the black one that's similar? Because it folds similarly and stuff. Shoot.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

I don't know what the brand is. We can put it in show notes. We can look. We've had the opportunity and privilege to try a lot of different strollers because of having things sent, but I've only held on to a handful. I either have given them to friends or I've I've donated a lot of baby gear locally.

SPEAKER_05 40:06

Especially because when you have baby gear, a lot of times they want it to be unused. And so that's that's tough to get. And so we have the privilege of having baby gear that is unused sent to us. And if we don't need it, we try to get it to people that do.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Also, stroller hot take. I would not do the Vista V2. What brand is that?

SPEAKER_05 40:23

The Uppa Baby.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

The Uppa Baby. I don't know if that's still the stroller, but that was the stroller when we were having our first because they were like, it expands to have multiple kids and this and that. And it does not go to two children. Well, I would be more inclined to do like a mocking bird. It really depends so much on where you live, what's your lifestyle. Like we use a stroller, but the travel stroller for one is fine. Our older kids tend to walk or be carried anyway. Um, and I really loved my splurge uh item, which I again didn't purchase for myself. My best friend gifted me my Artie pop baby carrier. The wild bird carrier is very similar, but I love my Artie pop. The quality is phenomenal and it wears really comfortably.

SPEAKER_05 41:03

Yeah, the wild bird is comparable, just a little bit less.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

They've just gotten more and more expensive. Like when I initially got not the wild bird, the Artie pop. When I initially got my Artie pop, I think it was$250, which I thought was, you know, that's that's an investment. I think they're like$400 now or something like that. Yeah. I don't know. I think yours was north of three. Maybe items are are cuckoo bananas. They are nuts. But really, less is more because you can get the items as you find yourself in need of them. I really do. I wish I would have known that because I feel like I just wanted all the items I ended up with too, I have too much stuff.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

And then it was hard to wade through.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

You're like, well, maybe I will use it. And well, I am. That's my whole again, going back to full circle to hoarding. It happens with kids' stuff too. You're like, oh, maybe the next kid or whatever. You just end up holding on to it, and then you have buckets of stuff that you're just overwhelmed by. No, get as little as you can. Have people go in on the big items, especially for your like first shower and stuff, and aim for gender neutral clothes.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

I am a NUNA car seat stand. I've never tried one of their strollers, but we have had both their infant seat and their convertible seats, and I love their car seats.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

I know people love the Duna. We're too big for the Duna. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

So our kids get too big for it, too.

SPEAKER_05 42:20

Yeah, our kids are of size. That's another thing. I think when you get baby clothes, try to get as little newborn as you can, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

I used my newborn. I got that advice a lot, and so I didn't get a lot of newborn clothes, and then all of our kids were in newborns. I don't really understand that advice, only because our kids are on the bigger side and they still were in newborns for four or six weeks.

SPEAKER_05 42:40

Well, I guess and get the ones that have the folding hands and feet kind of deal so that they expand with them, even if they can't use the folding hands and feet forever, they tend to go longer. Yeah, what are our best recommendations clothes-wise?

SPEAKER_02 42:52

So much of our stuff's hand-me-downs, and uh, we did a lot of secondhand. I I like little sleepies. Yeah. Uh, we have some pajamas from Quince that I really like. Gap, HM, Zara. Hannah Anderson, some. Oh, that's my number one recommendation, actually. When you just said that, that's my number one recommendation. Because I was thinking of places that I've actually put orders in, which I have put in a handful of. Yes, I did just order from clearance on Hannah Anderson, but the majority of clothes that we have that are Hannah Anderson are hand-me-downs from my sisters. And man, their clothes hold up. They really do. And every single mom, like our kids' grandmother's age, so always are saying, Oh, I shopped for my kids at Hannah Anderson back in the 90s. So I guess it's a very it's got a lot of street cred.

SPEAKER_05 43:38

It's got some staying power.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

But all the formula stations and bottle wash deals. You'll know if you need them. Yeah, maybe just be looking for gift cards to baby stores and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

I didn't even use a pump. Like my first one I exclusively pumped, and then baby two, baby three. All I did was I used the Haka and I used a manual hand pump, nothing else. Like I have paired back. More and more each time because I find it a lot less stressful to have a lot less things.

SPEAKER_05 44:05

Buried in stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Less is definitely more.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

And I find our kids are more robust and comfortable, kind of in most environments because they're not used to these things.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

They're not used to extra stuff. Yeah. That is helpful. Good luck to you.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:18

Enjoy it. It'll be congrats. It'll be fun.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

It goes quick.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

I'll link that other collapsing travel stroller because it also depends on how much space you need. The vista's really nice. It's kind of the Batmobile of strollers, but it's huge.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

It is huge.

SPEAKER_05 44:31

It does not fit in our vehicles all that well. It takes up its own world of space. The functionality just like it's not a running stroller. It's not a there will be specific things you need.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

You digress.

Wrap Up And Where To Reach Us

SPEAKER_05 44:42

I digress. You digress, yes. Exactly. So all right, we'll get out of here on that note.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Oh, love you guys. Right with you, and we'll talk soon. Yeah. Bye.

SPEAKER_05 44:54

Emails, calls. We love you. Bye.